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How to burn out a well pump? |
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Author:Fixitangel(NC) A 240 volt submerged well pump was replaced 3 years ago. It has 10 ga. 3 wire hookup conductor. This pump failed and I was asked to look into it. At the pressure switch, I saw a jumper wire across one set of contacts ( 1st time for me). Aparrently the previous homeowner wanted a 120 volt outlet for an RV out by the wellhead, and instead of running a dedicated wire out to the outlet, had "borrowed" 1 leg of the 240 volt well pump feed and the neutral to supply it. I know this way of rigging screams of numerous code violations. Is it safe to bet that this could have caused the pump to give out; or is 3 years "acceptable" life expectancy for a well pump? Many Sincere Thanks to All. |
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Author:LemonPlumber(FL) Only thing is to be sure the pump motor is the failure.Believe you may find impedance wire as problem.how many times the motor over heat lasts longer than the wire ? If it is a variable speed motor bet it is still good.Not so the wires.Sorry you said three wire.Pull the pump.Is the wire the only pull ?Borrowing short term amps may not effect the pump motor.Did you try testing the existing amp draw? |
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Author:North Carolina Plumber(NC) There should not be a neutral to borrow from in the switch housing. Granted a pump should last more than 3 years, but if the pump was of questionable quality to begin with, and pumping any sand or rock dust, then that might be the life span of it. |
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Author:hj(AZ) It should not have been a "jumper" wire, but rather a tap off one of the terminals, and where did he get the neutral from since a 220/240 motor does NOT have a neutral wire? The only repercussions for tapping off one leg would have been if the total load on that leg exceeded the circuit breaker's rating it should have tripped. |
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Author:SMSPlumbing(MD) The only thing I can think, is this guy put a jumper on the contacts would have given constant voltage to one line going to the well head. This means that it is sending half of the power to the pump at all times. Very bad way of getting power out to his RV. If the pump was running non stop on 115 volts and then jumping to 240 when called for, I would assume this would shorten the life. Was his electric bill high? I would imagine |
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Author:RWP(SD) There are two ways to ruin a submersible water pump fast. 1) Do not give it enough electricity. 2) Do not have the proper amount of air in the pressure tank so it starts and stops This one was starved for power. An RV draws quite a bit of power as the batteries are being charged. I know I live in one full time as I vagabond my way around this great country of ours. No more winter weather for me. My batteries are charged strictly with solar. - - - - - - - - - - Retired after 50 years of plumbing and heating. |
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Author:hj(AZ) As long as it was a "true" 220/240 volt pump, it would make no difference to the pump, whether it was getting NO power, or power to one side. NOTHING would happen at the pump until the second leg was energized. IT was NOT getting "120 volts to the pump continuously". Nor do we know if this was REALLY a jumper until we saw a picture of the actual wire. |
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Author:hj(AZ) quote; An RV draws quite a bit of power as the batteries are being charged. What are you charging, A Tesla roadster? Battery chargers do NOT "draw quite a bit of power" and he did not say anything about a charger anyway. I got the impression it was to power the RV directly, and that would NOT take a lot of power as long as he did not try to run the A/C unit. |
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Author:Fixitangel(NC) Thanks HJ. I stand corrected, there is only a ground wire, not a neutral for the outlet. Thanks for clarifying. It was indeed a jumper wire 3" long 12ga. It effectively shorted one set of contacts, which changed the normal DPST pressure switch to a SPST. Upon further inspection, we found the static bladder pressure was only 6 PSI. Houston.. I think we found a problem. Happy Thanksgiving. |
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Author:Fixitangel(NC) Seems your #2 was closer to the real problem.. static bladder pressure was only 6 psi. The poor pump probably got beat to death (or the wire broke) from the high duty cycle. Thanks for all your help. |
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Author:hj(AZ) The only logical reason for actually "jumping" a set of contacts would be because it was burnt and NOT completing the ciruit when the switch operated. |
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Author:LemonPlumber(FL) ???relay ???the motor is not starting on the amps of the breakers or the wires.nore is it running at less.once started less is ok.used jumped short of sort? |
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Author:Paul48(CT) Lemon....I have no idea what you just said. If we were talking,would you say it the same way? |
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Author:hj(AZ) quote; If we were talking,would you say it the same way? Probaby, because I have been trying for a long time to get him to re-read what he writes before he sends it and it always comes out the same way. |
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Author:LemonPlumber(FL) HJ.the pump has a open leg and switches with the second closed?The used, borrowed the normally closed leg?we have in effect partially powered the motor?where is the used 120 negative discharged? Edited 1 times. |
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Author:hj(AZ) quote; we have in effect partially powered the motor? You need to learn more about electricity before you start making a diagnosis. There is NO "power" used when the circuit is NOT complete. Water heaters ONLY "break" the power to one side of the elements but they are NOT, to use your words, "partially powered", otherwise they would ALWAYS overheat the way they do when an element shorts out and bypasses the thermostat. In fact, there are MANY 220/240 applications where the controller only interupts one leg of the power line, and they also are not "partially powered ". Edited 1 times. |
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Author:LemonPlumber(FL) I can jump the use of a leg on any 220/240 circuit.providing 110/120 amperage and still amperage/impedance bleed to the second leg of 220/240.why can I draw 120 from 240?Why is the use not welcome?Generally the neutral of switched ground is impeded path way.the connection point point bleeds to the none use path.ohm burn the point heats as the travel fails!!!!With the use of capacitors on the well controls this is burst, not just failure. |
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Author:hj(AZ) quote; providing 110/120 amperage and still amperage/impedance bleed to the second leg of 220/240.why can I draw 120 from 240?Why is the use not welcome IF I can understand what you wrote, then; |
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Author:LemonPlumber(FL) HJ the element cannot bypass the stat?The switch leg of any 220 240 volt when common grounded to 120/110 can.Learn what?you are quoting electrical use whole sale and the use is item line defined.you cannot have negative power where a start box is used!!!!and the use of a current positive through the amperage breaker is set as a minimum to protect.please post any address where you used 220 power after the return leg negative, to feed any 120 source! Edited 1 times. |
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FAQs
What can burn up a well pump? ›
When there is too much water and not enough air in the tank, the pressure switch will signal the pump to turn on for short bursts of activity for only a few minutes at a time. This is called "short cycling" and can burn out your pump quickly.
Can you burn out a water pump? ›If the unprimed pump runs for too long, it will overheat and soon burn out.
What causes a well pump to go out? ›Water Quality - A well pump can prematurely fail if you have poor water quality. Minerals can clog up the pump and cause it to burn out. Bacteria can build up a slime that can also clog up the mechanics. The well liner should be checked, as that's your best protection against corrosion.
How do you know if your well pump is burnt out? ›- Changes in Water Pressure. ...
- Odd Noises From the Pump. ...
- Pressure Tank Sounds. ...
- Water Spitting From Faucets. ...
- Lack of Water. ...
- Constantly Running Pump. ...
- Higher Utility Bills. ...
- Sediment in Your Water.
- Lack of Proper Maintenance: Pumps need regular maintenance and servicing to function correctly like any other machinery. ...
- Foreign Objects: ...
- Worn Out Parts: ...
- Incorrect installation: ...
- Poor Quality: ...
- Overheating: ...
- Vibration: ...
- Cavitation:
A quality electric pump should last upwards of 15 years of continual household use. There are certain precautions you can take to ensure that your pump lives out its fullest potential. First, why does a pump burn up? Typically, pumps die on us because they ran dry.
What is the life expectancy of a well pump? ›The average lifespan of a well pump is generally around eight to 15 years. However, where your pump will fall in that pretty wide age range depends on many factors. The single largest factor in your pump's life expectancy is the frequency of your pump's duty cycle.
What causes pump motor to burn? ›The flow rate of the centrifugal pump will increase and the motor will be overloaded. If it exceeds a certain level, the motor will be burnt. The reasons for the motor burning can be divided into: load, power supply, motor insulation, and lack of equal.
How long can a well pump run before it burns out? ›It depends on pump type. Some pumps are designed for longer operations, while most have a maximum continuous running time of 2 hours before they need to cool off. Some latest models stop running after a fixed time to avoid overheating. Most private well systems for homes have this type of pump.
What causes submersible motor to burn? ›Submersible Motor Temperature & Overheating Problems
A very common problem affecting the motors is over-temperature. Causes for over-temperature include pumping hot water, overloading of the motor by the pump, loss of cooling flow past the motor, ochre or scale buildup and frequent motor starts and stops.
How long does it take to burn up a well pump? ›
Depends on which submersible pump it is. Most are OK with running continuously, but some have limits of “run for less than 2 hours” or “leave to cool down after 30 minutes”.
How fast can a well pump burn out? ›How long can a well pump run before burning out? 10 to 30 years or more before it fails, including failure modes in addition to electrical burn out. If an unprimed pump runs for a long time it will overheat and burn out in a matter of minutes or hours. This is why there should be a protection device for such occasions.